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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


It seems like the Seasonal beers are coming out earlier and earlier every year ...... waaaaaaaay before the season is even in view. With that said I have become very tired of the same beers (mostly IPA's) all the time; so I tried both the Sierra Nevada Glissade and the Sam Adams Noble Pils, both are spring offerings.

I picked up a sixer of Sierra Nevada Glissade this weekend and I have enjoyed it. I have only had a couple Maibocks/Helles so I have no clue on what a good example of a Miabock/Helles is. Glissade is a very smooth and mellow bock that I could drink in mass quantity on a warm spring or summer day. It’s very light and refreshing, a nice bready start with a bit of grassiness; it finishes with slight hoppiness/bitterness, but nothing overwhelming or over the top. It also has subtle alcohol warmth to it as it goes down. Overall a really enjoyable and well balanced beer.

I had the Sam Adams Noble Pils on tap at Applebee’s this weekend; when I ordered it the bartender didn’t recommend it and said if I didn't like it I could get something different. We I liked it. Again I couldn’t tell you a good pils if it hit me in the face, but BA says a German Pils should be "very light straw to golden in color, well-hopped, brewed using Noble hops that which exhibit a spicy herbal or floral aroma and flavor, often times a bit coarse on the palate, and distribute a flash of citrus-like zest--hop bitterness can be high." According to this it fit the bill. It was very clean and crisp up front, almost like a standard American larger, but much more refined (the crisp clean taste they advertise but don’t deliver), then it finishes with an almost unexpected bitterness. The bitter hop finish is unlike any I have really had before other than in a few English pale ales, the Noble Hops really give you a unique experience. I can see why commercial beer drinkers, like this bartender, don’t like this. It starts off with a flavor they are used to, but then rips at their taste buds with a nice bitterness, a bitterness that would be over whelming to a non-BA. Overall drinkability is great while also confusing your taste buds a bit, highly recommend for a change of pace.

It seems like most of today’s American craft beers are driven towards high alcohol and extreme doses of hops and malts. Both of these beers are a nice change of pace that go to classic styles that have been ignored lately. I really enjoyed both of them in two totally different ways.

I have always though Walsh was a bit off for preferring the classic styles rather than the IPA's and Imperials, but now I may think I may have been the crazy one for not giving these other styles a shot to wow me.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

grodney wrote:
I hadn't ever seen New Belgium's Might Arrow Pale Ale until yesterday, so I got a 6-pack. Drinkable. Not really an American Pale Ale. The hops are not aggressive at all. Reminded me more of something like Oberon.


Too me Mighty Arrow it very vanilla (bland not the actual flavor). If you’re looking for a nice and easy no fuss, no hype version of an APA this is your beer. It’s not a bad APA, but is not a great on either. I don’t think New Belgium makes a bad beer, but I also don’t think they make any great ones. I don’t buy their products unless I have too (like when Fat Tire is the only craft beer on tap) or if there beer is on such a good sale I can’t pass it up. I think of New Belgium Beers as baby step craft beers that are great for Frat Bros and Bud Light drinkers, not very impressive for the beer coinsurer. I can only apply this too their yearly and seasonal rotation. I have no clue if their Explorer or Lips of Faith Series are better. But most Brewery’s special collections / series are usually really good; look at Boulevard, their standard beer is average, but their Smokestack series is very good.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Porkchop, you're a wise one in my eyes. That's how I see New Belgium. Nothing bad, but nothing great. Baby steps for beer drinkers.

Also, your take on the Glissade and the Pils is refreshing. Shiner made their anniversary "Shiner 99" a couple years ago, which was a Helles. I always said I thought it was *exactly* what a Helles should be. Complex in flavor, yet totally refreshing on a summer day, and easy to drink. Glissade is similar, but a little more flavor actually. That Sam Pils I haven't had commercially yet, but I'm sure I probably wrote about the tasting I had last year when they (Sam) were trying to decide whether to go with the Pils or the IPA as their next solo 6er. I thought it was good. I appreciate a good Pilsner, but certainly yeah, they often (always?) take a back seat to the more extreme stuff these days.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bdhukr wrote:
Has anyone tried the Sierra Nevada Bigfoot Ale Barley Wine Style? With a 9.6% ABV I thought it would be a little to strong for myself. Being a fan of Sierra Nevada though I had to try it. I was surprised to find out it wasn't any stronger than Torpedo which is my next favorite, for some reason I like the flavor and texture of all ales coming out of Chico, CA.


I just got the Bigfoot yesterday, and noticed that it wasn't very opaque (thick and dark). Haven't tried it yet.

Sierra Nevada is very consistent and has some great offerings. There's a reason they sell more than any"micro" in the country.

I really like the Noble Pils, too. It's hard to go wrong when you're using all six noble hop varieties. It's incredible how they get them all in without it being a hop bomb. Probably all go in toward the end of the boil?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lou Siffer wrote:
Sierra Nevada is very consistent and has some great offerings. There's a reason they sell more than any"micro" in the country.

Actually they are #2 behind Sam Adam's (Boston Beer Co.)
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I guess compared to the big three, they're a micro. Wonder where you'd draw the line.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well the technical line for a Micro Brewery is 15,000 Barrels. So really, only the really small local breweries, like Millstream, fit the label. Today's world prefers the term "Craft Brewery". As defined by the Brewers Association "An American craft brewer is small (less than 2 million barrels), independent (less than 25% owned or controlled by a beverage industry member who is not a craft brewer) and traditional (has at least 50% of its volume in either all malt beers or in beers which use adjuncts to enhance rather than lighten flavor)."

Sam Adams' produces about 1.35 million barrels, where Sierra Nevada produces about .68 million barrels. Even if Sam Adam's were to go above 2 million barrels I would still consider them a Craft Brewery seeing how they are always "crafting" and experimenting with new beers.




Link to Map of Top 50 Craft Brewers - Too Large To Post (didn't want to make you scroll left and right)
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Link to Map of Top 50 Craft Brewers - Too Large To Post (didn't want to make you scroll left and right)

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My Clive tax dollars hard at work.


Laughing LOL ........ it only took a few minutes to find that info (I did not make the chart), nothing more than a little coffee break ....... Guess I should get back to making the fine citizens West of 128th St a little happier (it’s a never ending task) Rolling Eyes Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Corey, I still have those. Nobody called me.

I'm stuck in DSM for the night. Chuck this Iowa weather.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

porkchop wrote:

I had the Sam Adams Noble Pils on tap at Applebee’s this weekend; when I ordered it the bartender didn’t recommend it and said if I didn't like it I could get something different.

Had a bottle of this tonight, and really liked it. Good price too, big bottle for less than $2. Definitely will be trying a six pack.
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http://gazetteonline.com/blogs/covering-iowa-politics/2010/02/10/bills-pumping-up-breweries-distilleries-advance
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^ Thanks for the post!

For anyone who has been following SF2091, it has also been ammended to change the definition of beer and would allow distrubtors to take over the wholsale of higher alcohol beers, which is what all of us beer dorks have been hoping for.

This has passed out of committe which is a good thing, but Representative Mark Smith wants to strike the provisions in the ammendment regarding high alcohol beer. Please see the following from IowaBeer.org:


Feb 11th, 2010 IMPORTANT LEGISLATIVE ALERT – IMMEDIATE RESPONSE REQUESTED!Author: admin | Filed under: Beer News
Iowa Beer Equality Bill Supporters:

Representative Mark Smith (D-District #43) has offered an amendment H 8084 to SF 2088 that would end up striking the provisions for high alcohol beer. It will be debated this afternoon – 5:30 p.m. in the House.
You need to call or e-mail your House member and ask them to oppose the Smith Amendment — this is a free/open vote in the Democratic Caucus which means they will not be persuaded how to vote.
Representative Smith is concerned about increased consumption and substance abuse.

Calls or emails should be made to ALL House members! House switchboard – 515.281.3221 or find e-mail addresses at http://www3.legis.state.ia.us/ga/legislators.do?ch=h&ga=83.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This bill will is going to be tricky. People will have to concede certain things to get what they want, government reorganization. This is the government reorgaization bill that everyone has been talking about.
Hopefully, the Smith amendment will fail. My quess is that to get the bill passed, this amendment, which is an amendment to an amendment H8084 to amend H8045, has been offered up to appease those members who come from districts that still appreciate the blue laws..... and to get them to vote in favor of the overall passage. I hope that I am wrong. Call your represenatives and ask them to vote no.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This guy is a democrat? What? Does he not know that when it comes to gambling and beer, the R's are the oppressive ones? Traitor!
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