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Chase20460
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| The Donator wrote: | | Chase20460 wrote: | | Alford is a turd. He went to NM because they actually had some talent coming in, after that its over with. Wouldnt be suprised if allegations show up in a few years, but by then he will have rode this wave to Louisville or someplace like that. |
Do you think he's a good coach?? |
No, I dont. I think he may be decent at attracting some sort of talent, but thats due to the silver tongue that keeps him employed.
I guess if he can keep winning at NM, he could prove me wrong, but anyone can coach with talent. Personally, I think he is a scumbag, and not just because he coached at Iowa- things he did while there only helped secure that.
Its also why hammering Licklieter is harsh. He has no talent there at all, though he does have a few players. I think he regrets coming to Iowa but will get enough players to make a good Big 10 team, more than likely capable of beating Illinois, but not much more. Then he will move on.
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IHearChains
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Chase20460 wrote: | | Its also why hammering Licklieter is harsh. He has no talent there at all, though he does have a few players. |
We should not hammer Lickliter when he is not doing the job he is paid $1.2M per year to do? Who else is responsible for recruiting and retaining players?
I see you have bought his slimy classless public relations strategy of blaming his subordinates and taking no responsibility whatsoever for his own poor coaching decisions. He hires asst coaches with no major conference experience, he does not evaluate talent well (Kelly), he has good players playing to their weaknesses instead of maximizing their strengths (Gatens), he makes no adjustments when things don't work (switching man to man D against DeShawn Sims), and he fails to inspire players to want to play in his system (Freeman, Palmer, Peterson).
But I can certainly understand why Illini fans (or other B10 fans for that matter) would want to keep Lick hanging on for another year. |
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dischawk
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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There's been some buzz around here that Lickliter has had meetings with Barta and could possibly be gone after the season. Nothing substantial yet but if anyone transfers after this season (today) then he absolutely has to go. So far he's shown no stability in the program and no coaching ability at all. To me, if he does stay then there is no doubt that next year is his make or break year, with significant improvement needed.
O and it only took Iowa six and a half minutes to sink into a double digit deficit, they are already down 28-13 w/ 5 min left in the 1st.
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IHearChains
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| dischawk wrote: | | O and it only took Iowa six and a half minutes to sink into a double digit deficit, they are already down 28-13 w/ 5 min left in the 1st. |
Wild guess here...Sims is scoring at will, one on one against Payne or Bawinkel in the post?  |
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10up
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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word on the street is Lickliter has put in his resignation citing "health reasons".
who's next? Can we bring Dr. Tom out of retirement?
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GaW27166
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| 10up wrote: | word on the street is Lickliter has put in his resignation citing "health reasons".
who's next? Can we bring Dr. Tom out of retirement? |
Yep I am hearing the same thing. Not sure whoes next. Really it doesnt matter because regardless they are still going to be bad next year. |
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GaW27166
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Chase20460 wrote: | | The Donator wrote: | | Chase20460 wrote: | | Alford is a turd. He went to NM because they actually had some talent coming in, after that its over with. Wouldnt be suprised if allegations show up in a few years, but by then he will have rode this wave to Louisville or someplace like that. |
Do you think he's a good coach?? |
No, I dont. I think he may be decent at attracting some sort of talent, but thats due to the silver tongue that keeps him employed.
I guess if he can keep winning at NM, he could prove me wrong, but anyone can coach with talent. Personally, I think he is a scumbag, and not just because he coached at Iowa- things he did while there only helped secure that.
Its also why hammering Licklieter is harsh. He has no talent there at all, though he does have a few players. I think he regrets coming to Iowa but will get enough players to make a good Big 10 team, more than likely capable of beating Illinois, but not much more. Then he will move on. |
Yeah he is a scumbag. The only diff between NM and Iowa is that he has much better assitants now than he did. He reminds me alot of Ron Zook. Hell of a recruiter but not a great teacher. Now that he has some good assitants I think he will continue to have success until another PP comes around. |
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GaW27166
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Chase20460
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| IHearChains wrote: | | Chase20460 wrote: | | Its also why hammering Licklieter is harsh. He has no talent there at all, though he does have a few players. |
We should not hammer Lickliter when he is not doing the job he is paid $1.2M per year to do? Who else is responsible for recruiting and retaining players?
I see you have bought his slimy classless public relations strategy of blaming his subordinates and taking no responsibility whatsoever for his own poor coaching decisions. He hires asst coaches with no major conference experience, he does not evaluate talent well (Kelly), he has good players playing to their weaknesses instead of maximizing their strengths (Gatens), he makes no adjustments when things don't work (switching man to man D against DeShawn Sims), and he fails to inspire players to want to play in his system (Freeman, Palmer, Peterson).
But I can certainly understand why Illini fans (or other B10 fans for that matter) would want to keep Lick hanging on for another year. |
I havent bought into anything. I hate Iowa and would be happy if the whole place burned. That being said, the guy is uninspired, I agree. He is coaching the equivalent of a girls high school basketball team. Id be disapointed if he left, as you arent getting any better with the players there and coming in.
Doesnt matter what Illini fans want, Iowa usually beats us at least once a year.
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Chase20460
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| GaW27166 wrote: | | Chase20460 wrote: | | The Donator wrote: | | Chase20460 wrote: | | Alford is a turd. He went to NM because they actually had some talent coming in, after that its over with. Wouldnt be suprised if allegations show up in a few years, but by then he will have rode this wave to Louisville or someplace like that. |
Do you think he's a good coach?? |
No, I dont. I think he may be decent at attracting some sort of talent, but thats due to the silver tongue that keeps him employed.
I guess if he can keep winning at NM, he could prove me wrong, but anyone can coach with talent. Personally, I think he is a scumbag, and not just because he coached at Iowa- things he did while there only helped secure that.
Its also why hammering Licklieter is harsh. He has no talent there at all, though he does have a few players. I think he regrets coming to Iowa but will get enough players to make a good Big 10 team, more than likely capable of beating Illinois, but not much more. Then he will move on. |
Yeah he is a scumbag. The only diff between NM and Iowa is that he has much better assitants now than he did. He reminds me alot of Ron Zook. Hell of a recruiter but not a great teacher. Now that he has some good assitants I think he will continue to have success until another PP comes around. |
Yeah good comparison. Id go with that.
Alford almost got outcoached by Air Force last night. Luckily, he had a ton of better talent, or he wouldve.
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IHearChains
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| Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:05 am Post subject: |
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| Chase20460 wrote: | | He is coaching the equivalent of a girls high school basketball team. |
There is talent there (not enough of course), and I think most girls high school basketball coaches would get more out of this team than Lick. |
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AO
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Buddy who is a cyclones fan txtd me Brackins is leaving, Hamilton and another sophmore are transferring, and Gilstrap isnt getting his 6th year of eligibility. Going to be a fun one for mcdermott next year.
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AO
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| Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:36 am Post subject: |
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| dischawk wrote: | There's been some buzz around here that Lickliter has had meetings with Barta and could possibly be gone after the season. Nothing substantial yet but if anyone transfers after this season (today) then he absolutely has to go. So far he's shown no stability in the program and no coaching ability at all. To me, if he does stay then there is no doubt that next year is his make or break year, with significant improvement needed.
O and it only took Iowa six and a half minutes to sink into a double digit deficit, they are already down 28-13 w/ 5 min left in the 1st. |
Wonder who they will get, if more players are going to leave, and if incoming recruits will back out of their commitment? It's too bad. I used to really enjoy watching the Hawks with my dad when I was younger. Tom Davis's up tempo game, good players, strong seasons, and packed gyms made it fun and energetic. I remember the day when players like Earl, Winters, Woolridge, Settles, Millard, Murray, Bowen, Kingsbury, Glasper, Koch, McCausland, Oliver, Moore, Rucker, Davis, Luehrsmann were pretty darn good and they all had their roles. Those guys had chemistry and were part of exciting teams.
They did a 5 part special last week in the Gazette about the downfall of Iowa hoops. Many said it all started with Raef Lafrentz going to Kansas. Many were bitter and upset. Several years later Tom Davis finds out that his contract would not be renewed. Then Alford came and he was an arrogant asshole. He had some good seasons but I remember hearing about the shitty things he would do and say. He lost his fan base with the Pierre Pierce incidents and backing his player, even though he had 2 shitty charges. Then Lickliter just sucked. He lost 9 or so players to transferring. I thought I liked him at the begining but when the Freeman transfer happened and he said he just didn't have a place on the roster....something just didn't seem right. How can a captian, floor leader, scorer, and defender not find place on your roster especially when you suck balls? Hopefully the next coach will be an assistant from the ACC or Big East and they can recruit and play a fast paced game. F rotating the ball and clock management.
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CONLER MILRAD 41638
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| Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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| AO wrote: | | Buddy who is a cyclones fan txtd me Brackins is leaving, Hamilton and another sophmore are transferring, and Gilstrap isnt getting his 6th year of eligibility. Going to be a fun one for mcdermott next year. |
I didn't hear that bout Gilstrap until you posted. Next year is going to be rough. I guess McDermott could just quit, but then again he's not an ISU football coach.
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AO
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| CONLER MILRAD 41638 wrote: | | AO wrote: | | Buddy who is a cyclones fan txtd me Brackins is leaving, Hamilton and another sophmore are transferring, and Gilstrap isnt getting his 6th year of eligibility. Going to be a fun one for mcdermott next year. |
I didn't hear that bout Gilstrap until you posted. Next year is going to be rough. I guess McDermott could just quit, but then again he's not an ISU football coach. |
He bleeds purple and gold..wait until "better" job comes around.
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